Adult Solid NeoplasmPhase 1NCT00878163
GDC-0449 and Erlotinib Hydrochloride With or Without Gemcitabine Hydrochloride in Treating Patients With Metastatic Pancreatic Cancer or Solid Tumors That Cannot Be Removed by Surgery
A Phase 1 study testing Diagnostic Laboratory Biomarker Analysis, Erlotinib Hydrochloride and Gemcitabine Hydrochloride in people with Adult Solid Neoplasm and Pancreatic Acinar Cell Carcinoma, run by National Cancer Institute (NCI) at 4 sites in United States.
Trial summary
This phase I trial is studying the side effects and best dose of erlotinib hydrochloride when given together with GDC-0449 with or without gemcitabine hydrochloride in treating patients with metastatic pancreatic cancer or solid tumors that cannot be removed by surgery. Read more about this study
- Who is it for?
- Ages 18 years and older
- Conditions the study is for
- Adult Solid Neoplasm, Pancreatic Acinar Cell Carcinoma, Pancreatic Ductal Adenocarcinoma
- What is being tested?
- Diagnostic Laboratory Biomarker Analysis, Erlotinib Hydrochloride and Gemcitabine Hydrochloride
- Type of treatment
- Injection or infusion
- Could I receive a placebo?
- No, everyone receives an active treatment
- How many people
- 55 participants
- Where
- 4 sitesUnited States
- Study dates
- 31 Mar 2009to 6 Mar 2027
- Phase
- Phase 1
- Are there results?
- Not yet: the study is under way
Key requirements
Who can take part, as listed by the sponsor. Only the study team can confirm whether you are eligible, so take this list to your doctor.
- Ages 18 years and older
- All sexes
- No healthy volunteers
- Adult, Older adult
Who may be able to join
- Histologic proof of a solid tumor that is now unresectable, not amenable to any other standard therapies, or patient refuses standard therapy
- Metastatic adenocarcinoma of the pancreas amenable to biopsies (cohort II MTD only)
- Absolute neutrophil count (ANC) >= 1,500/μL
- Platelets >= 100,000/μL
- Total bilirubin =< upper limit of normal (ULN)
- Aspartate aminotransferase (AST) =< 3 times upper limit of normal (ULN)
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- Creatinine =< 1.5 times ULN
- Hemoglobin >= 9.0 g/dL
- International Normalized Ratio (INR) within normal limits (for patients treated at the MTD)
- Ability to provide informed consent
- Willingness to return to Mayo Clinic for follow up
- Life expectancy >= 12 weeks
- Willingness to provide the biologic specimens as required by the protocol
- Negative serum pregnancy test done =< 7 days prior to registration
- Eastern Cooperative Oncology Group (ECOG) performance status (PS) 0-2
- Able to swallow or have medication administered through a G-tube and absorb the medication
- Participant agrees to use an acceptable form of contraception; acceptable forms of contraception:
- Latex condom (always used with spermicide)
- Diaphragm (always used with spermicide)
- Cervical cap (always used with spermicide)
- Acceptable forms of secondary contraceptions, when used along with a barrier method:
- Hormonal contraception methods, including pills, patches, rings, or injections except progestin-only containing pills (i.e. "Mini-pill")
- Tubal ligation
- Partner's vasectomy
- Intrauterine device (IUD) (non-progesterone T)
- Vaginal sponge (containing spermicide)
- 100% commitment to abstinence
- Unacceptable forms of contraception for women of childbearing potential:
- Oral contraception containing progestins only
- IUD progesterone T
- Female condom
- Natural family planning (rhythm method) or breastfeeding
- Fertility awareness
- Withdrawal
- Cervical shield
- Willing to abstain from smoking
- Willing to complete a daily pill diary
Who cannot join
- Known standard therapy for the patient's disease that is potentially curative or definitely capable of extending life expectancy
- Uncontrolled intercurrent illness including, but not limited to, ongoing or active infection, symptomatic congestive heart failure, unstable angina pectoris, cardiac arrhythmia, or psychiatric illness/social situations that would limit compliance with study requirements
- Any of the following prior therapies:
- Chemotherapy =< 4 weeks prior to registration
- Mitomycin C/nitrosoureas =< 6 weeks prior to registration
- Immunotherapy =< 4 weeks prior to registration
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- Biologic therapy =< 4 weeks prior to registration
- Radiation therapy =< 4 weeks prior to registration
- Radiation to > 25% of bone marrow
- Failure to fully recover from acute, reversible effects of prior therapy regardless of interval since last treatment
- New York Heart Association classification III or IV
- Seizure disorder
- Central nervous system (CNS) metastases if not stable for at least 2-3 months based on imaging, clinical assessment, and use of steroids, or seizure disorder
- Pregnant women
- Nursing women
- Men or women of childbearing potential who are unwilling to employ adequate contraception until 12 months after last study drug dose
- Other concurrent chemotherapy, immunotherapy, radiotherapy, or any ancillary therapy considered investigational (utilized for a non-Food and Drug Administration [FDA]-approved indication and in the context of a research investigation)
- Current therapy with a CYP3A4 inhibitor or inducer
- Immunocompromised patients (other than that related to the use of corticosteroids) including patients receiving highly active antiretroviral therapy (HAART) treatment
- Receiving any other investigational agent which would be considered as a treatment for the primary neoplasm
- Active other malignancy, excepting non-melanotic skin cancer or carcinoma-in-situ of the cervix; if there is a history of prior malignancy, they must not be receiving other specific treatment (other than hormonal therapy) for their cancer
- History of myocardial infarction =< 6 months, or congestive heart failure requiring use of ongoing maintenance therapy for life-threatening ventricular arrhythmias
- Abnormalities of the cornea based on history (e.g., dry eye syndrome, Sjogren's syndrome), congenital abnormality (e.g., Fuch's dystrophy), abnormal slit-lamp examination using a vital dye (e.g., fluorescein, Bengal Rose), and/or an abnormal corneal sensitivity test (Schirmer test or similar tear production test)
- More than 2 prior chemotherapy regimens for the current metastatic malignancy; full dose chemotherapy used in conjunction with concurrent radiation therapy will be included as prior therapy; Note: prior hormonal therapy (e.g. leuprolide, aromatase inhibitors, tamoxifen) will be allowed and not included as a prior chemotherapy
- Previous therapy with a hedgehog inhibitor
Trial locations and contacts
4 sites in 1 country.
United States4 sites
Mayo Clinic in Florida
Jacksonville, Florida, 32224-9980
Orlando Health Cancer Institute
Orlando, Florida, 32806
Mayo Clinic in Rochester
Rochester, Minnesota, 55905
Mayo Clinic in Arizona
Scottsdale, Arizona, 85259
About this study
Official title: Phase I Trial of the Combination of Vismodegib GDC-0449 and Erlotinib +/- Gemcitabine
This phase I trial is studying the side effects and best dose of erlotinib hydrochloride when given together with GDC-0449 with or without gemcitabine hydrochloride in treating patients with metastatic pancreatic cancer or solid tumors that cannot be removed by surgery. Drugs used in chemotherapy, such as GDC-0449 and gemcitabine hydrochloride, work in different ways to stop the growth of tumor cells, either by killing the cells or by stopping them from dividing. Erlotinib hydrochloride may stop the growth of tumor cells by blocking some of the enzymes needed for cell growth. Giving GDC-0449 together with erlotinib hydrochloride with or without gemcitabine hydrochloride may kill more tumor cells.
Read the detailed description
PRIMARY OBJECTIVES:
- To determine the maximum tolerated dose of erlotinib hydrochloride and Hedgehog antagonist GDC-0449 with or without gemcitabine hydrochloride in patients with unresectable solid tumors.
SECONDARY OBJECTIVES:
- To describe the adverse events profile associated with these treatment regimens.
II. To describe the responses in patients treated with these regimens. III. To assess the effect of erlotinib hydrochloride and Hedgehog antagonist GDC-0449 on selected biomarkers in circulating tumor cells and tumor biopsy samples from patients with metastatic pancreatic cancer.
IV. To assess the effect of erlotinib hydrochloride and Hedgehog antagonist GDC-0449 on fludeoxyglucose F 18 positron emission tomography imaging in patients with metastatic pancreatic cancer.
- To study the association between clinical (toxicity and/or tumor response or activity) and biologic (pharmacodynamic) results associated with erlotinib hydrochloride and Hedgehog antagonist GDC-0449 in patients with metastatic pancreatic cancer.
OUTLINE: This is a dose-escalation study of erlotinib hydrochloride.
Patients receive Hedgehog antagonist GDC-0449 orally (PO) once daily (QD) and erlotinib hydrochloride PO QD on days 1-28. Some patients also receive gemcitabine hydrochloride IV over 30 minutes on days 1, 8, and 15. Courses repeat every 28 days in the absence of disease progression or unacceptable toxicity.
Patients treated at the maximum tolerated dose undergo fludeoxyglucose F 18 positron emission tomography at baseline and on day 28. These patients also undergo tumor tissue and blood sample collection at baseline and periodically during study for correlative laboratory studies. Samples are analyzed for tyrosine phosphorylated or total MAP-K, EGFR, AKT, and other potential biomarkers of activity/response and for levels of genes transcriptionally activated (e.g., BCL-2, GLI, BFL-1/A1, 4-1BB, PTC1) by immunofluorescence, IHC, and quantitative-PCR.
After completion of study therapy, patients are followed at 3 months.
- Conditions
- Adult Solid Neoplasm, Pancreatic Acinar Cell Carcinoma, Pancreatic Ductal Adenocarcinoma, Recurrent Pancreatic Carcinoma, Stage IV Pancreatic Cancer AJCC v6 and v7
- Being tested
- Diagnostic Laboratory Biomarker Analysis, Erlotinib Hydrochloride, Gemcitabine Hydrochloride, Vismodegib
- Medical subject headings
- Pancreatic Neoplasms
What participants receive
What participants receive. In a randomised study each person is assigned to one group by chance.
Diagnostic Laboratory Biomarker AnalysisOther
Correlative studies
Erlotinib HydrochlorideDrug
Also called CP 358, CP-358, Cp-358,774, CP358
Given PO
Also called dFdCyd, Difluorodeoxycytidine Hydrochloride, Gemcitabine HCI, Gemzar
Given IV
VismodegibDrug
Also called Erivedge, GDC 0449, GDC-0449, GDC0449
Given PO
| Study group | Role | What they receive |
|---|---|---|
| Treatment (vismodegib, erlotinib hydrochloride, gemcitabine) | Experimental | Patients receive Hedgehog antagonist GDC-0449 PO QD and erlotinib hydrochloride PO QD on days 1-28. Some patients also receive gemcitabine hydrochloride IV over 30 minutes on days 1, 8, and 15. Courses repeat every 28 days in the absence of disease progression or unacceptable toxicity. Receives: Other: Diagnostic Laboratory Biomarker Analysis; Drug: Erlotinib Hydrochloride; Drug: Gemcitabine Hydrochloride; Drug: Vismodegib |
What is being measured
The primary outcome is the main question the study is designed to answer.
Maximum tolerated dose of erlotinib hydrochloride defined as the dose level below the lowest dose that induces dose-limiting toxicity in at least one-third of patients
DLT will be defined as an adverse event, according to CTCAE version 3.0, attributed (definitely, probably, or possibly to the study treatment.
Measured: 28 days
Secondary outcomes (7)
Adverse events as assessed by NCI CTCAE v3.0
The number and severity of all adverse events (overall, and by dose-level) will be tabulated and summarized.
Measured: Up to 3 months after completion of study treatment
Toxicity, defined as adverse events that are classified as either possibly, probably, or definitely related to study treatment, graded using the NCI CTCAE version 3.0
Measured: Up to 3 months after completion of study treatment
Response as assessed by modified RECIST criteria
Summarized by simple descriptive summary statistics delineating complete and partial responses as well as stable and progressive disease.
Measured: Up to 3 months after completion of study treatment
Time until treatment related grade 3+ toxicity
Measured: Up to 3 months after completion of study treatment
Time until hematologic nadirs (WBC, ANC, platelets)
Measured: Up to 3 months after completion of study treatment
Time to progression
Measured: Up to 3 months after completion of study treatment
Time to treatment failure
Measured: From registration to documentation of progression, unacceptable toxicity, or refusal to continue participation by the patient, assessed up to 3 months after completion of study treatment
Timeline
From the start of the study to its completion; the mark is today. Estimated dates are the sponsor’s plan.
- First posted8 Apr 2009 (estimated)
- Study start31 Mar 2009
- Primary completion22 Jan 2013
- Study completion6 Mar 2027 (estimated)
Resources
- Official record on ClinicalTrials.govThe registry entry this page is built from, with its full change history.
- Other trials for Adult Solid NeoplasmStudies of the same condition, open and under way.
- More trials run by National Cancer Institute (NCI)The sponsor's other registered studies.
- What the trial phases meanHow a treatment moves from first tests in people to approval.
More details
For doctors and researchers: how the study is designed, who runs it, and its registry IDs.
Study design
- Study type
- Interventional
- Phase
- Phase 1
- Primary purpose
- Treatment
- Allocation
- Not applicable
- Intervention model
- Single group
- Masking
- None (open label)
- Enrolment
- 55 participants (actual)
Sponsor and investigators
- Lead sponsor
- National Cancer Institute (NCI)
- Sponsor type
- US National Institutes of Health
- Responsible party
- Sponsor
- Investigators
- Charles Erlichman, Principal investigator, Mayo Clinic
IDs, dates and publications
- ClinicalTrials.gov ID
- NCT00878163
- Sponsor's protocol ID
- NCI-2011-01400
- Other IDs
- NCI-2011-01400, CDR0000638302, MAYO-MC0811, MC0811, 8231, P30CA015083, P50CA102701, U01CA069912
- Status last verified
- Sep 2026
- First submitted
- 7 Apr 2009
- Last updated
- 8 Sep 2026
- Results posted
- No
Study at a glance
From the registry record, last updated by the sponsor on 8 Sep 2026. Recruitment status is as the sponsor reported it: confirm with the study team.
- Official title
- Phase I Trial of the Combination of Vismodegib GDC-0449 and Erlotinib +/- Gemcitabine
- ClinicalTrials.gov ID
- NCT00878163
- Acronym / sponsor ID
- NCI-2011-01400
- Conditions
- Adult Solid Neoplasm, Pancreatic Acinar Cell Carcinoma, Pancreatic Ductal Adenocarcinoma, Recurrent Pancreatic Carcinoma, Stage IV Pancreatic Cancer AJCC v6 and v7
- Phase
- Phase 1
- Study type
- Interventional
- Recruitment status
- Active, not recruiting
- Enrolment
- 55 participants (actual)
- Lead sponsor
- National Cancer Institute (NCI)US National Institutes of Health
- Study start
- 31 Mar 2009 (actual)
- Primary completion
- 22 Jan 2013 (actual)
- Study completion
- 6 Mar 2027 (estimated)
- First posted
- 8 Apr 2009 (estimated)
- Results
- Not posted in the source record
Clinical summary
The research question as the sponsor registered it. This describes what the study plans to test, not what it found.
This phase I trial is studying the side effects and best dose of erlotinib hydrochloride when given together with GDC-0449 with or without gemcitabine hydrochloride in treating patients with metastatic pancreatic cancer or solid tumors that cannot be removed by surgery. Drugs used in chemotherapy, such as GDC-0449 and gemcitabine hydrochloride, work in different ways to stop the growth of tumor cells, either by killing the cells or by stopping them from dividing. Erlotinib hydrochloride may stop the growth of tumor cells by blocking some of the enzymes needed for cell growth. Giving GDC-0449 together with erlotinib hydrochloride with or without gemcitabine hydrochloride may kill more tumor cells.
Detailed description
PRIMARY OBJECTIVES:
- To determine the maximum tolerated dose of erlotinib hydrochloride and Hedgehog antagonist GDC-0449 with or without gemcitabine hydrochloride in patients with unresectable solid tumors.
SECONDARY OBJECTIVES:
- To describe the adverse events profile associated with these treatment regimens.
II. To describe the responses in patients treated with these regimens. III. To assess the effect of erlotinib hydrochloride and Hedgehog antagonist GDC-0449 on selected biomarkers in circulating tumor cells and tumor biopsy samples from patients with metastatic pancreatic cancer.
IV. To assess the effect of erlotinib hydrochloride and Hedgehog antagonist GDC-0449 on fludeoxyglucose F 18 positron emission tomography imaging in patients with metastatic pancreatic cancer.
- To study the association between clinical (toxicity and/or tumor response or activity) and biologic (pharmacodynamic) results associated with erlotinib hydrochloride and Hedgehog antagonist GDC-0449 in patients with metastatic pancreatic cancer.
OUTLINE: This is a dose-escalation study of erlotinib hydrochloride.
Patients receive Hedgehog antagonist GDC-0449 orally (PO) once daily (QD) and erlotinib hydrochloride PO QD on days 1-28. Some patients also receive gemcitabine hydrochloride IV over 30 minutes on days 1, 8, and 15. Courses repeat every 28 days in the absence of disease progression or unacceptable toxicity.
Patients treated at the maximum tolerated dose undergo fludeoxyglucose F 18 positron emission tomography at baseline and on day 28. These patients also undergo tumor tissue and blood sample collection at baseline and periodically during study for correlative laboratory studies. Samples are analyzed for tyrosine phosphorylated or total MAP-K, EGFR, AKT, and other potential biomarkers of activity/response and for levels of genes transcriptionally activated (e.g., BCL-2, GLI, BFL-1/A1, 4-1BB, PTC1) by immunofluorescence, IHC, and quantitative-PCR.
After completion of study therapy, patients are followed at 3 months.
Study design
- Primary purpose
- Treatment
- Allocation
- Not applicable
- Intervention model
- Single group
- Masking
- None (open label)
- Number of arms
- 1
| Arm | Type | Receives |
|---|---|---|
| Treatment (vismodegib, erlotinib hydrochloride, gemcitabine) | Experimental | Other: Diagnostic Laboratory Biomarker Analysis, Drug: Erlotinib Hydrochloride, Drug: Gemcitabine Hydrochloride, Drug: VismodegibPatients receive Hedgehog antagonist GDC-0449 PO QD and erlotinib hydrochloride PO QD on days 1-28. Some patients also receive gemcitabine hydrochloride IV over 30 minutes on days 1, 8, and 15. Courses repeat every 28 days in the absence of disease progression or unacceptable toxicity. |
Who may qualify
- Ages
- 18 years and older
- Sex
- All
- Healthy volunteers
- Not accepted
- Age groups
- Adult, Older adult
Key inclusion criteria (37 listed)
- Histologic proof of a solid tumor that is now unresectable, not amenable to any other standard therapies, or patient refuses standard therapy
- Absolute neutrophil count (ANC) >= 1,500/μL
- Platelets >= 100,000/μL
- Total bilirubin =< upper limit of normal (ULN)
- Aspartate aminotransferase (AST) =< 3 times upper limit of normal (ULN)
Key exclusion criteria (25 listed)
- Known standard therapy for the patient's disease that is potentially curative or definitely capable of extending life expectancy
- Uncontrolled intercurrent illness including, but not limited to, ongoing or active infection, symptomatic congestive heart failure, unstable angina pectoris, cardiac arrhythmia, or psychiatric illness/social situations that would limit compliance with study requirements
- Any of the following prior therapies:
- Failure to fully recover from acute, reversible effects of prior therapy regardless of interval since last treatment
- New York Heart Association classification III or IV
Eligibility is decided by the study team after screening; this overview does not establish that a patient qualifies. Full inclusion and exclusion criteria.
Interventions
| Intervention | Type | Arms |
|---|---|---|
| Diagnostic Laboratory Biomarker AnalysisCorrelative studies | Other | Treatment (vismodegib, erlotinib hydrochloride, gemcitabine) |
| Erlotinib HydrochlorideAlso: CP 358, CP-358, Cp-358,774, CP358Given PO | Drug | Treatment (vismodegib, erlotinib hydrochloride, gemcitabine) |
| Gemcitabine HydrochlorideAlso: dFdCyd, Difluorodeoxycytidine Hydrochloride, Gemcitabine HCI, GemzarGiven IV | Drug | Treatment (vismodegib, erlotinib hydrochloride, gemcitabine) |
| VismodegibAlso: Erivedge, GDC 0449, GDC-0449, GDC0449Given PO | Drug | Treatment (vismodegib, erlotinib hydrochloride, gemcitabine) |
Primary outcome
Maximum tolerated dose of erlotinib hydrochloride defined as the dose level below the lowest dose that induces dose-limiting toxicity in at least one-third of patients
Time frame: 28 days
DLT will be defined as an adverse event, according to CTCAE version 3.0, attributed (definitely, probably, or possibly to the study treatment.
7 secondary outcomes
Adverse events as assessed by NCI CTCAE v3.0
Time frame: Up to 3 months after completion of study treatment
Toxicity, defined as adverse events that are classified as either possibly, probably, or definitely related to study treatment, graded using the NCI CTCAE version 3.0
Time frame: Up to 3 months after completion of study treatment
Response as assessed by modified RECIST criteria
Time frame: Up to 3 months after completion of study treatment
Time until treatment related grade 3+ toxicity
Time frame: Up to 3 months after completion of study treatment
Time until hematologic nadirs (WBC, ANC, platelets)
Time frame: Up to 3 months after completion of study treatment
Time to progression
Time frame: Up to 3 months after completion of study treatment
Time to treatment failure
Time frame: From registration to documentation of progression, unacceptable toxicity, or refusal to continue participation by the patient, assessed up to 3 months after completion of study treatment
Results and safety
This study is still under way. Results are not available in the source record yet.
Research links
- Official record on ClinicalTrials.govLast updated by the sponsor 8 Sep 2026.
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Referral and contact
AzTrials does not enrol participants or take referrals. Contact the study team or a site listed below; they decide who can take part. This study is not recruiting at the moment.
Charles Erlichman principal investigator
Mayo Clinic
4 sites in 1 country: see every site and its status.
Questions about this trial
What is this clinical trial studying?
A Phase 1 study testing Diagnostic Laboratory Biomarker Analysis, Erlotinib Hydrochloride and Gemcitabine Hydrochloride in people with Adult Solid Neoplasm and Pancreatic Acinar Cell Carcinoma, run by National Cancer Institute (NCI) at 4 sites in United States.
The full registered description is in the About this study section and the official record.
Who may be eligible to take part?
The sponsor lists 37 inclusion and 25 exclusion criteria. Eligibility is decided by the study team after screening, so read the full criteria and contact a listed site.
Is this clinical trial currently recruiting?
The record says: under way, not looking for participants, as of the sponsor's last update on 8 Sep 2026. Status can change between updates, so confirm with the study contact before making plans.
Where is the study taking place?
The record lists 4 sites in United States. Whether a site is taking part right now should be confirmed with that site. See every site.
What are the possible benefits and risks?
They depend on the study and the treatment, and no study can promise a benefit. The study team explains the known risks during informed consent, before anyone joins; the record itself does not list them.
What does this phase mean?
Phase 1 studies test a treatment in a small group of people for the first time or in a new way, mainly to check safety and find the right dose.
Not every study follows the same path, and some studies (observational studies, device studies) have no phase.
Are results available for this study?
This study is still under way. Results are not available in the source record yet.
How can a doctor refer a patient or contact the research team?
The record lists no contact. The official record names the sponsor, who can be asked directly. AzTrials does not enrol participants or take referrals.
What does the primary outcome measure?
Maximum tolerated dose of erlotinib hydrochloride defined as the dose level below the lowest dose that induces dose-limiting toxicity in at least one-third of patients (time frame: 28 days). It is what the study was designed to measure, not a finding.
Where can I read the original study information?
Does a listing mean the treatment is approved or proven to work?
No. A listing means the study is registered. It does not show that the treatment is safe, works, or is approved by a regulator.
How often is this information updated?
AzTrials copies changed records from ClinicalTrials.gov every night and reloads the whole registry every week. The sponsor last updated this record on 8 Sep 2026.